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Re: Sunday Fundamentals: DMLJ On Higher Criticism

Mike Shanlian — Sun, 26 Sep 2010 06:59:20 -0000

Dr. Jones nailed it. I do not understand why anyone would become a pastor, preacher, evangelist or scholar in order to deconstruct the Scriptures. Engaging the Scriptures, grappling with difficult passages and working out your own salvation in fear and trembling is the responsibility of every believer. Higher Criticism is dangerous because it attempts to cast doubt on the validity of the Bible because some passages appear to contradict themselves or seem ambiguous.

Paul instructed young Timothy to study the Word to verify and complete his faith in order to serve God with confidence and in His power. Studying the Bible only to turn on it and question its validity would be like becoming a Doctor and telling everyone that medicine is nothing more than Voodoo science.

Re: Love – THE Fundamental of the Faith

JasonS — Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:32:17 -0000

Good post, Will.
I'm reminded that God loves Himself, pours out His love on us, and all of that to the end that we would love Him in return while showing His love to those around us. In the end, for the saint eternity is a world of love.
It is indeed hard to dismiss love. One simply cannot do so and be Biblical.

Re: Were The Early Fundamentalists King James Only?

WillDudding — Wed, 22 Sep 2010 01:11:49 -0000

Check out www.mountcalvarybaptist.org They have a store online and they might still have that brochure in print.

Re: Were The Early Fundamentalists King James Only?

JasonS — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:57:18 -0000

Will,
Where are these available?

Re: Were The Early Fundamentalists King James Only?

WillDudding — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:22:40 -0000

Mark Minnick of BJU had put out a pamphlet a few years back with an extensive amount of quotes like this by early fundamentalists called "Trusted Voices on Translations". If you can get those and put them in your church (if your church is struggling with that); it would be helpful to get a historical perspective.

Re: Fundamentalist Perspective on the New Calvinism

WillDudding — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:18:17 -0000

Well, Steve Lawson was only saying what Jesus said.

Re: Were The Early Fundamentalists King James Only?

Mshanlian — Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:07:16 -0000

Jason is correct. I wrote in another post about John R. Rice that I heard him speak many times when I was in Bible College in the early seventies along with Malone, Hyles, Roberson, Gray etc. It was during the mid seventies that some of these leaders jumped on the KJVO band wagon because of the influence of Peter Ruckman and others.

Re: Dr. John R. Rice and The King James Version

Vandy — Sun, 19 Sep 2010 10:18:26 -0000

I have been meditating on this issue for many years and the final evidence that I needed was the "Choice" of many of the newer translations to change the Gospel of John 1:10 from "created by Him" into the heresy of "created through him".This is , like it or not, a purposeful denial of the Godhead. When Moses struck the Rock; water did not come through the Rock it came from the Rock. Scholars who ignore evangelical interpretation of the original language choose to pervert the meaning of scripture by using, as in the John 1:10 example, the most prevalent common usage of a word. Which at times is intellectually disingenuous, I wonder if the scholaras choose to draw straws to decide how to interpret the '"New language of christianity". Many Greek words were used to "newly coin" completely new words in a biblical context that were unheard of incomprehensable concepts and are meaningless if not interpreted in an evangelical context.

We can argue that the scholars are justified in their quest for literal translations. But can we justify nonevangelical and evangelical scholars squabbling over translations?
In my mind the worst error is that The term "JEHOVAH" is completely omitted.

"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (KJV)

Now please note what the NKJV says - "I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I was not known to them." (NKJV)

Re: Dr. John R. Rice and The King James Version

C.J. — Fri, 17 Sep 2010 23:56:28 -0000

In 1965, I attended the auditorium S.S. class at Hammond First Baptist. Jack Hyles taught the class, and I remembering hearing him say that the original Greek said this and that helped clear up the reading of the KJV. I don't know got into him later.

Re: Radical

rickdob — Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:16:52 -0000

Would this be a good book for a group of church men? I'm looking at utilizing it, but haven't read through it yet. I imagined that it might be similar to Francis Chan's "Crazy Love?"

Re: Freedom From Legalism

William Lee — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 20:34:02 -0000

I read your article and enjoyed it. I'm told that John Calvin is to have said once, "the human heart is an idol factory." Your article reminded me of that quote--we will find some way to"worship the creature rather than the Creator".
May I add that it seems to me that are "afraid" of the freedom of God's grace.
But I need to remember that we free from sin and free for righteous, holy living. Anyway, thank you for your good article. Bill

Re: Fundamentalist Perspective on the New Calvinism

Evangelist Andy Rushing — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 01:13:51 -0000

andrew first of all i have never indicated human ability --- what is ce what is IMO calvanist what is IFB what is IFBX - I do not know all your abbreviations nor do i associate with preachers hung up on group or identity terms. christian and baptist only group title i use and i am getting disgusted with a lot of the watered down baptist so i must plead ignorance . the kjv is all i know - i preach all the above scriptures you have quoted and i pray i get time to follow up with scripture and i have no problem with the quickening or the deadness in these scriptures. your implication is "human effort" which i also agree we have no effort acceptable to produce salvation but rather ours is a matter of "response of our will made aware of the light {Jesus}" or = if we just simply "taste" and fall away and fail to receive the gift offered = it is impossible to be renewed to repentance or we can through grace and faith having heard through the gift of faith the gospel of truth and being made alive to truth and having our eyes enlightened are willing to receive the gift of Jesus shed blood- burial and resurrection offered to us- we perhaps agree more than you think unless you leave out "will""response" and "reception of the gift" == hope to deal with the scriptures later on love bro andy

Re: Fundamentalist Perspective on the New Calvinism

Evangelist Andy Rushing — Tue, 14 Sep 2010 00:28:40 -0000

andrew i was not replying to you
i was replying to willdudding calling me a IFBX - I WANTED HIM TO GIVE ME THE MEANING OF IFBX AND to give me his testimony of his spiritual birth.

Re: Fundamentalist Perspective on the New Calvinism

Andrew Suttles — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 13:27:18 -0000

Evangelist Rushing -

I tried to correct your misunderstandings regarding the will of man earlier in this comment thread. Please don't keep posting these false caricatures. We both know that your statements do not represent what Calvinists believe, nor what the Scriptures teach.

The Scriptures teach that fallen man has a sin nature. A man's will is subject to his nature, so a man's natural will is to sin. A man may exercise his 'will' to please himself with sin as much as God allows him to. But, does this 'will' give him the power to do that which the scripture says he is unable to do?

1 Cor 2:14 - "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Rom 3:10-12 - "There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one...."

Eph 2:5 - "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)"

Rom 8:7 - "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Plus, all the passages that refer to men being blind, dead, and slaves as metaphors for being in bondage to sin.

Regarding to the will of man, I only find 2 places in the Bible that address it specifically, (1) with regard to the giving of Scripture (1 Pet 1:21) and (2) to the new birth (John 1:13). Both exclude human effort as causes.

I commend you as a preacher of the gospel, but I urge you to refrain from adding the vain philosophy of humanism to God's pure message of grace. Human ability is the opposite of the message of salvation.

Regarding experiences, I'd like to humbly encourage Pastor Dudding not to resort to the use of personal experiences to resolve theological conflict. It is edifying to know the means the Lord used to bring about a man's conversion, but we should resolve our theological differences by Scripture, not by experience or feeling.

Re: Fundamentalist Perspective on the New Calvinism

Evangelist Andy Rushing — Mon, 13 Sep 2010 01:54:10 -0000

{1} i do not recall anything in the above statement i made about not believing in the "spiritual birth"
{2} "after being saved" was not the subject at hand
{3} your statement "we were not willing but made willing" rings true to your "Calvinist" view, ==made willing?? so God made you get saved?? you did not need a will?? does that also mean that he made some "not be willing" as "Calvinist" believe due to God predetermining to pick some and not others??
{4}please explain your phrase "but that can be expected from IFBX" ?? I PREFER just a christian preacher of the gospel of the lord Jesus Christ == i use baptist preacher as one who is a baptizer of those who are born again believers who seek to be crucified in- buried in by baptism and resurrected in newness of life in Christ AFTER THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED THE SPIRITUAL BIRTH. please explain your label for me = - i have preached in hundreds of churches in several states and associate with "bible preachers" who preach christ =not all are baptist, but they are baptizers by immersion.
[5] i have been out of state preaching and my wife has just had her forth major surgery and have not had much time to interact on your comments, but i will point blank say i got spiritually born again "{saved} out in the middle of a forty acre field in a one room farm house=alone= reading the bible [kjv} and smitten by the holy ghost some 43 years ago and i am here to tell you God did not interfere with my free will to receive or reject the spiritual birth. my dad died when i was 10 years old and my mother worked 7 days a week to raise us 4 children, and went to church only a few times in my life and had no knowledge of what denominations taught as how to be saved and was the most ignorant person then and now you will ever meet- but one thing i can tell you is that when i got up off that floor that was now wet from my weeping and my repentance and remorse and when i asked Jesus to forgive, receive me, and asked him to come into me and live in and me for Christ = there was a bust of Jesus blood washing and forgiveness of my sins out of the mercy seat of the heart of God that no religion - no denomination - can take credit for.
{6} i am well experienced as to the spiritual birth, and at no point was i without control of my will - my fear is that as Jesus said "few" go through the narrow gate == that few have really experienced but many profess Jesus = they were preachers- teachers- healers- casting devils= ect. It is sad Jesus will not know them.
{7} now please tell me your "spiritual birth" experience

Re: Dr. John R. Rice and The King James Version

JasonS — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:58:51 -0000

Jeff,
Thanks for the comment. Our blogging is a little slow right now, but we do hope that our efforts here will be helpful in showing what true Fundamentalists should believe. The Bible is important, and we love the KJV. On the other hand, we cannot truthfully deny the Word of God in other translations. Neither do we see separation over English translations as helpful.
Please return and talk with us. We would appreciate your input.

Re: Dr. John R. Rice and The King James Version

Jeffbaity — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:58:37 -0000

Many of the current defenders of the KJVO position do not know what they believe, only what they have been told by other preachers. It's amazing how men are willing to allow other men's convictions to guide them as their polar star. It also amazes me how far many f the leaders are willing to go in order to keep the peace. Many do not agree with the right turn of fundamentalism, but they will not publicly say so for fear of being called out, or branded as opposed to the KJV. I have never seen so many lions in the pulpit who turn into lambs in the real world. Rather than stand against the extremes (like Ruckman, and his allies) they beat their drums about the KJV and make the extremists think they are on their side too. This veiled hypocrisy is nauseating to me.

The attempt to redefine the fundamentalist movement is being done in the name of preserving the "old paths", but the fundamentalism of today is not the fundamentalism of the late 70's. There is a new wave, that calls itself "old." If John Rice were alive today, he would not be able to preach with the men who claim to be his heirs.

Re: Giveaway! KJV Minister’s Bible from Holman

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Re: Myths about Fundamentalists, pt 1: “Fundamentalists are ignorant”

JasonS — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 10:16:25 -0000

Erik,
I'm glad that you posted this. I have a post scheduled for tomorrow that is mostly quotes from these guys. I started to edit it to show that they were not guys out of the hills who barely knew how to read and write.
I hope that we can contribute to putting the myth to rest...

Re: Dr. John R. Rice and The King James Version

Andrew Suttles — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:08:42 -0000

Tim -

I hope you understand that by 'inbreeding', I'm not making a personal slander. Rather, some folks refer to IFBs as 'inbreeding' in the sense that IFBs don't receive any theological training outside their own self made Bible colleges and institutes. Their 'scholars' have doctorates conferred upon them by other churches, etc., so they never grow or interact with other ideas. We are all sharpened by adversity/challenge/etc, but in many cases, an IFB education is more an indoctrination into the traditions of IFB movement, rather than an education. Any pastor with a modestly big church will have a PhD conferred upon him by the Bible college operating under some other church within his movement - this makes him a scholar? That is what I meant by 'inbreeding' - I don't mean to appear to be defaming, slandering, or blaspheming any of the good IFB folks by any means.

Re: Giveaway! KJV Minister’s Bible from Holman

Mark Stevens — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:44:41 -0000

Facebooked, blogged and commented - Cant twitter - Dont twiitter...:)

Re: Giveaway! KJV Minister’s Bible from Holman

Dane Carlson — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:07:03 -0000

I would really like a copy of this Bible.

Re: Giveaway! KJV Minister’s Bible from Holman

Mark Stevens — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:21:59 -0000

OK, Posted to FB!

Re: Giveaway! KJV Minister’s Bible from Holman

Mark Stevens — Mon, 30 Aug 2010 09:20:54 -0000

OK, how the heck did I not hear about this. I am looking for a KJV to read through next year (being 400 years and all).

Consider this my entry and I will post on it later today!

Re: FC Interviews Greg Locke, Former Evangelist, Pastor, And Young Fundamentalist

Norcalhope — Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:58:59 -0000

I am glad to hear that I am not alone in my journey through fundamentalism. The extremes were enough for me to consider leaving all together. However, as it appears you are doing, when we examine the historic fundamentals, how could we possibly abandon them?
Thanks, and we will see you soon!